Get your plums out.

It’s that time of year for uni students. Unfortunately, I am not talking about the time to take off your dacks and run around town with your plums out. That is everyday for many uni students.

I am, in fact, referring to exam time. I have five contact hours left this semester and the rest of the time I should probably spend studying. I’m not, but I probably should be. After a semester of assignments, tests, lectures, tutorials and having to put up with fuckwits who are so stupid that they shouldn’t be at university, let alone still alive, the whole thing is winding up for the year. I’m so gloriously ambivalent towards exams that I am spending my time typing this bollocks rather than studying.

If one of my subjects was ranting, I’m certain that I’d get a high distinction. That sentence leads me neatly to the next instalment of my rants…

Hi, I’m Grum McClure, you might remember me from such rants as Why should I give a fuck? and Stick your clipboard up your arse. I’m here today to express my displeasure about a number of things.

Kiddies wearing shirts that promote a political party or candidate.

I have made my political allegiances VERY clear, but in case you have been living in a cave on Mars with your eyes shut and your fingers in your ears, let me reiterate that I dislike the Labor party. I don’t like their policies, their union ties or the succession of boring gits they have had as leader. I was extremely pissed off when I saw a bunch of kiddies wearing anti-WorkChoices t-shirts recently. However, it would be unfair of me not to mention the kiddies I saw wearing Bob Day (the Liberal candidate for Makin) t-shirts on Saturday. It right royally pissed me off. If you’re not old enough to vote, you shouldn’t be made to wear any article of clothing that promotes anything political.

The enquiry into the death of Princess Diana.
I appreciate that she may have been murdered, and if this is the case, her killer(s) should be caught and punished, but why the hell do I need to hear about it?

People who claim that Murdoch/Packer news services are wrong and other sources are right.

You may have guessed, but this is aimed at some people who read this site. I know that Murdoch and Packer news services put their own slant on the news, but so does every other news service. They all have a point of view that they wish to push. I don’t care who they are. To claim that one particular news service tells the truth all of the time is just naive. The only way to get one hundred per cent accurate news is to be there when an event happens. Even hearing it from someone who you trust implicitly and was there is no guarantee that you’ll get the absolute truth. Everyone, I don’t care who they are, has their own slant on anything that happens. For example, I may have been there when a fight broke out between a good friend and someone I hate. However, when relaying the story, I will no doubt put a spin on it to make it look as if my friend was the innocent party even if it was totally their fault that the fight started in the first place.

Anything Sasha ever says.

He presents well-thought out arguments. However, his views are (generally) the exact opposite of mine, so naturally I have to shoot him down. Having said that, I do recommend that you read some of his posts in the fatloaf forums. Generally, his insights are interesting and quite persuasive. I really do recommend that you read them. However, don’t give in to his sweet words and promises of lollies.

The increasing number of times I agree with something that Ian Chappell has said.

I think he’s a pillock as I have explained many times. However, in recent times I have found myself agreeing with him on some issues, such as the state of South Australian cricket. I feel dirty. I need a shower.

That’s it for now. Bugger off.

Love and sloppy kisses,
Grum


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32 Responses to “Get your plums out.”

  1. StitchFace

    Honk if you love Grum.

    honk

    honk honk

  2. Kizza

    I’ve been saying it for years… Hate him or loathe him, Ian Chappell says what the rest of the cricketing hierarchy doesn’t have the balls to.

  3. Owmyhands

    Grum, Grum, Grum, you poor, deluded fool. I could argue with some of your statements but I can’t be fucked. Actually, fuck it. Briefly…

    What’s wrong with union ties? I think you, and the conservative voter, have forgotten that without unions, every “perk” you receive as an employee (38 hour week, holiday pay, sick leave, superannuation, OH&S standards etc.) have been a direct result of unions (and workers) having some balls to make the system fairer. Your problem is with union members who rort the system and with slack employees who under-perform then call in union help when their arse is on the line, NOT with unions in general and 99% of the workforce who do the right thing by their employer. As such, your continual ranting on the evils of the unions and, indeed, the current Liberal scare campaign relating to the amount of former union officials on Labor’s front bench is getting kind of tiresome. The Labor party was started by the unions 116 years ago. I know that, you know that and pretty much most educated Australians know that. Since the start they have predominantly represented what we now term blue collar workers who make up a clear majority of Australia’s workforce. A workforce who, thanks to the Labor party and unions, are not given slave wages, don’t have to work 7 day weeks, are given time off for family and sickness etc. I know there are bad apples in the union movement just as there are in all walks of life but when you’re mistreated or blindly ripped off, it’s the unions who are there for you. Even if you’re not a member.

    Secondly, the Labor party’s “boring gits”. Excuse me? I kind of understand, given that Howard and Costello are the epitome of charisma. Hmm, sarcasm doesn’t translate well when written…

    I agree with the whole getting the kiddies involved. In much the same way that I find the whole “kissing babies” campaigning incredibly gut-churningly vile. Shaking hands with some demented 80 year old, kissing a baby or doing a silly dance is NOT what I’m interested in. Get to the task at hand of making this country a better place to live.

    As for the Murdoch/Packer media, the sad fact is that these are the only sources most people get their “news” from. And given the increasing amount of ads and “lifestyle” articles, there seems to be very little actual news on display. THAT’S my problem with MurKer. I read their drivel but I also read independent news services. I get several sides of the story and make my opinion accordingly. AS EVERYONE SHOULD DO!

    I have to go look after my son but I’m not finished with you yet.

    At leest yur speeling and grammer are, good!

  4. Random Penguin

    ahh exams suck, I finished my last of this years contact hours the sarvo and feel great, im sure even more so once exams are over. FREEDOM for a few months before it starts all over again.

    What are you studying Grum?

  5. Owmyhands

    And another thing…

    Actually, I’ve pretty much said all I wanted to. Why are you such a conservative, Grum? You’ve no children, mortgage, middle to upper management position and still a few years off being middle-aged. Chris is a bad, bad man.

    And just for the record, I am NOT, contrary to popular belief, a Labor voter. I lean a lot more to the left than Labor who I consider, in this ridiculous two party preferred system, only slightly the lesser of two evils. Actually, a LOT lesser of the two evils. Still way too conservative for my liking though.

    xxx

  6. Grum

    Random Penguin, I am studying health science.

    Sash, I like arguing with you. Haven’t I made that abundantly clear? I never said that Howard and Costello were charismatic (and yes, I know that you were being sarcastic); I was merely picking on the recent Labor leaders because that’s what I like to do and I believe what I typed. You pick on other people’s taste in music because you like to do that and think that your opinion is the correct one. Perhaps you should remember that next time someone challenges your opinion. Labor should have stuck with Mark Latham – he may have been a dick, but at least he was interesting.

    As for voting Liberal, I do so because I don’t like the policies of the Labor party and their scare tactics. Saying that under the new IR laws you can be sacked for nothing is complete bullshit – well, for many companies anyway. Yes, smaller organisations (with less than 101 employees) are exempt from unfair dismissal laws, but they need to be very careful about who they sack and why – word gets around and people will not work for them if they are being pricks. Larger organisations (think supermarkets, telecommunication companies, etc) are still bound by the unfair dismissal laws and they employ a large number of Australians. If employees do their job properly, they won’t have any trouble.

    As for WorkChoices, employers cannot pay whatever the hell they feel like. They are bound by awards and have to present their proposed conditions to the Australian Fair Pay Commission (AFPC). These can be knocked back without the AFPC giving a reason, so the employer has to do it again. They don’t tell employers “put in another 12 cents an hour and we’ll let it through”.

    I like most of the things that the Liberal government have done while in power. What I don’t like are the changes that Labor’s proposing. I vote Liberal because at this point in time, there are only two realistic options (as you have already pointed out) and I don’t want to waste my vote by giving it to the Greens or Democrats. When there is a viable third option, I may vote for that. I have never stated that I won’t vote Labor – I vote for the party who I believe will do the best job running the country at any given time. At this stage, that is the Liberal party.

    As for the unions, you are correct; I don’t like the few bad apples that are rorting the system. I am not so naive that I don’t recognise that the perks are because of union movement in the past. I am eternally grateful (as everyone should be) that in the past people did have the guts to stand up to the employers and demand better working conditions. However, the better working conditions were not only a result of the unions. There are employers and researchers who recognised the importance of giving their workers better working conditions and pay to improve productivity (see the Hawthorne Studies, Maslow and Herzberg, among others).

    I make up my mind from what I see, hear and read too. You’re not the only one who can do so. Believe it or not, despite my (ex) beardly appearance, I am not a total dropkick, nor am I influenced by my father to the degree that you think that I am. I think a lot of what Dad says is complete bollocks and I tell him so.

    Now, who’s up for a group sing-a-long of something by Elton John?

  7. Kizza

    Please continue, I’m genuinely enjoying this. You two should be on debating teams at the very least.

  8. Grum

    We try to entertain. Hard to believe that we are friends, eh?

  9. Kizza

    Yeah, especially after the things you say about Sash when he’s not around!

  10. Grum

    They’re coming out on CD in time for Christmas.

  11. Owmyhands

    Ok, as far as my opinion on music is concerned, it is an opinion. I believe wholeheartedly that music in its current commercial form is being prostituted for as much money as the fledgling record industry can milk in the final few years of music’s golden age. The age where lots of people made lots of money, where there were thousands of record companies, where recordings were done by professional producers in professional studios, where gigs were more about the music than the show. Sadly, there are only 4 major record labels left, and these 4 labels pretty much merged with or bought every other record label in the world – and the distribution companies – and along the way, floated their empires so that a small handful of rich fucks could make as much money as possible, which meant no more Research & Development (R&D) contracts. Amongst other things. It’s no longer about the music, it’s about making money. Not that there’s anything wrong with making money, mind. The problem with that current and continuing trend is the fact that you get situations like You Am I getting dropped from their record label so that Sony can sign the 6 runners-up of Australian Idol. THE FUCKING RUNNERS-UP! And that sort of shit happens all the fucking time. I’m not a huge You Am I fan but the point is that here are some talented musicians, doing the hard yards and have done so for years and some pre-pubescent fucktard who’s pretty, can hold a tune, has had prime-time exposure on national television and probably couldn’t write a song to save their life is more worthy of a recording contract. Only to be dropped themselves a year or so later when the not-yet-menstruating masses finally discover dick and choose to spend their pittance on make-up and McDonald’s than the latest 80′s-second-rate-musician-penned slash horrific-cover-version-of-a-once-great-song cd single.
    Being a musician myself, having been in a band and currently writing songs in a new band, as well as being an avid music fan since I could fart and find it funny, I think I’m in more of a position to have an educated opinion on music than some inbred, slack-jawed, flesh-creeping offence to humanity whose cd collection contains a handful of albums, one or more of which have a “World’s Best Beer Drinking Songs” theme or equivalent. Like Christianity, I’ve given up pointing out the errors of their ways. I know music is subjective but when that subjectivity is so one dimensional, I get angry and feel I have to protect my precious mistress who’s been whored out for way too long. So when I say your* music is shit, just accept it. I’ve been hearing it from you* my whole fucking life and I’ve dealt with it. I know you’re* wrong but I also know that in that walnut-sized brain of yours*, you* think I’m wrong. The difference is you* don’t have a passion about it, I do. I liken it to going out and buying a $4 bottle of wine that I really like and trying to convince a wine connoisseur that it shits all over the ’45 Mouton, that he doesn’t know what the fuck he’s on about.

    Next I’d like to tackle the contradictions in your reply.

    You comment on recent Labor leaders as being uncharismatic, yet you kind of admired Mark Latham. How recent are we going? Labor’s only had Beazley and Rudd since Latham. For the record, I didn’t think much of Beazley and I’m not that big on Rudd though at least he has a sense of humour. That being said, I still don’t think you can claim to be winning the charisma stakes. Not by a fucking long shot.

    Your comments on unfair dismissal laws are a fucking joke, surely? How many businesses do you know of that have more than 101 employees? Woolworths may employ thousands of people nation wide but the one down the road from me has 20 staff tops. And THAT’S the problem. Well, that’s ONE of the problems. As for “word getting out” about an employer being a prick, when it comes down to it, most people don’t have a choice who they work for, they just want work. And before you go on about everyone having a choice, everyone doesn’t. You can work here, go on the dole or wait for something better and hope you don’t starve while you’re waiting. I worked at a glass distributor earning $12 an hour. This was only 4 years ago. My boss was a cunt. Everyone there knew it and everyone there was on $12 an hour. Why didn’t everyone, like me, tell them to fuck themselves, leave and look for something better? NO FUCKING CHOICE, THAT’S WHY! (see 5 sentences ago) Oh, and unfair dismissal laws have no effect on AWA’s if certain conditions are put in place, eg. employer has right to terminate employment if more than 5 sick days taken in a year…

    Labor’s scare tactics? Let’s see… Tampa, children overboard, WMD’s, interest rates. Sorry, but the Libs have cornered the market on scare tactics.

    What have the Libs done since they’ve been in power? They’ve taken all the (unpopular) hard work started by Hawke and Keating and have put us in a position whereby, when Labor wins government on Nov. 24, Labor will have to make more unpopular decisions to get the economy back to where it was when the Libs took power 11 years ago. Oh, sorry, I forgot. Australians have never been better off.

    Lastly, I agree that there are some good employers out there who know (and actually believe) that if you treat an employee well and pay him well, he’ll be loyal and hard-working. We need more of these kinds of employers to make the IR laws work. Unfortunately, I’ve never worked for someone that felt that way, and I’ve had a lot of jobs. Seems most people I know have never worked for someone who felt that way either.

    I’ve said enough for now. I’m hungry. Think I might order pizza from the poor 15 year old kid getting $4.50 an hour on a Friday night…

    xxx

    * “you”, “your” and “you’re” are not directed directly at you, they imply ALL people with shit music taste.**

    ** in my opinion.***

    *** which is right.

  12. StitchFace

    “How many businesses do you know of that have more than 101 employees? Woolworths may employ thousands of people nation wide but the one down the road from me has 20 staff tops.”

    An interesting observation on your comment here – I know of a large South Australian based corporation (going national) that employs well over 1000 people that might have found a loophole to the “101 employee” laws. Although their business ventures all appear as franchises (ie, every store has the same logo, appearance and marketing), each store is registered under a separate business name. Probably primarily due to some tax dodge, but I can’t help but suspect that the owners would also take advantage of the loophole to exercise control over their staff. Then again, I might be wrong and it might be all above board, but I know the owners of this particular corporation didn’t get rich by writing cheques.
    Either way, I wouldn’t think the employees of this corporation have high job security.

  13. Owmyhands

    That’s the point I was trying to make. Cheers, Bill…

  14. Grum

    I never said that I admired Mark Latham; I merely said that he was interesting. Also, you forgot about Simon Creen, perhaps the biggest weed growing out of the pile of shit. Oh, and I seem to recall a recession the last time that Labor were in power…

    Once again, Sash, you’re reading what you want to read, NOT what I have typed.

    I never said that the Liberals were perfect. I stated that I believe they are the better of two options at the moment. I have said time and again it matters not which party is in government – either way some bad shit’s going to happen and some good shit is going to happen. What is more important to me is how we are represented to the rest of the world. I like John Howard. He may be a four-eyed little gremlin, but at least he’s not Rudd. If Bob Hawke was still in charge of the Labor party, I would probably vote for them.

    I never said the IR Laws were perfect (can you name a law that is? I can’t). Like anything, if you have the money and the resources, such as lawyers, to find the loopholes, why the hell wouldn’t you exploit them? I’m not saying it’s fair, I’m just saying it happens.

    IF the Labor party get into power (and by the way I think that they will), I am interested to see what will happen to the IR Laws. Will the new Labor Government have the balls to change them? They’re making a lot of noise, but I’m not sure they will do anything about. Politicians say all sorts of things when trying to be elected. Didn’t John Howard say that under a Liberal Government there would be no GST?

    “Labor’s scare tactics? Let’s see… Tampa, children overboard, WMD’s, interest rates. Sorry, but the Libs have cornered the market on scare tactics.”

    That’s only because the Liberals have been in power when these issues came up. If you are suggesting that Labor definitely would have handled them differently, you are deluding yourself. They may have, but that is no certainty.

    By the way, your use of the word “contradictions” is idiotic. I didn’t contradict myself; I was stating my opinion, which, according to you, is perfectly fine (see your rant about music).

    Oh, and Bill…don’t you love me anymore?

  15. Grum

    One more thing! Next time someone feels that they have been unfairly dismissed, they should go to A Current Affair. A tremendous programme that not only fixes injustices, it also tells me about the bras that will make my breast appear fuller. What else do I need.

    Damn it all! I say piss off the Government and the police force, and let ACA run the country. Surely that will be the only way this country goes forward.*

    *Hey, you’re right, Sash. Sarcasm doesn’t translate well when written.

  16. Kizza

    Can I just interject at this point? I’m going to do something I’ve never done before… Sasha… Will you marry me?
    Grum, once I’m married to Sasha, will you have a dirty little affair with me?

  17. Owmyhands

    Crean was Labor leader before Latham which is why I didn’t mention him.

    As for the recession, you do realise that the “recession” is what turned our global economy around, don’t you? We’re heading towards another one in the not too distant future because of what the Libs have done in the last 11 years. And of course Labor will be in power and all you conservatives will go “see? Labor’s in, economy’s fucked”. It’s about affordability, Grum. The housing market will come crashing down within the next 5 or so years which will see interest rates rise to astronomical levels (because the banks won’t be getting the money they’ve grown accustomed to so the Reserve Bank will bump up the rates and the government can’t do anything about it and has no control over it), which, in turn, will result in a lot of people with money losing a lot of money. It’ll also probably result in something I haven’t been able to do. That is, afford to buy a house. Keating showed a lot of balls in his economic reforms which were hugely unpopular in the short term but his – and Hawke’s – fiscal decisions laid the foundation for our current strong economy. Oh, and while we’re on the subject, the Lib’s scare campaign on interest rates is really starting to irk me. We all know 6% interest on a $300,000 loan is a lot higher than 18% on a $30,000 loan.

    I agree that bad shit’s going to happen no matter who’s in office and for you to claim that I’m deluding myself that Labor would’ve handled those situations differently is probably the most stupid and arrogant thing you’ve ever said. How can you possibly claim that? I don’t doubt that Labor lies and is selective about the truth but to claim that they would do something in much the same way as the Libs would is ridiculous. There’s no “this is how you handle this situation” handbook. The fact is that Howard lied to us and we found him out. That’s all well and good, but for him to not acknowledge he made a mistake and even to CONTINUE lying is unforgivable and certainly begs the assumption that if he lied about such and such, hasn’t admitted to the mistake and, in fact, continues to lie about it despite us knowing the truth, then how much more is he keeping from us and lying to us about?

    “I never said the IR Laws were perfect (can you name a law that is? I can’t). Like anything, if you have the money and the resources, such as lawyers, to find the loopholes, why the hell wouldn’t you exploit them? I’m not saying it’s fair, I’m just saying it happens.”

    So what you’re saying, in essence, is that businesses and employers are in a better position to exploit the IR laws. Of course I’d assume (seeing as you wrote that) that you have no problem admitting the laws are not completely fair, even if an employee does the right thing. And yes, I realise you stated no laws were perfect, but when it comes down to it, the employers have all the rights, regardless of what the AFPC rule. The employers have the money and the lawyers. That poor sap stacking the mandarins, doesn’t. All he has is the union and if the Libs retain power this election, I can almost guarantee they’ll make it even harder for union intervention in the workplace. They’re already limited to one worksite visit every six months. Or is it a year? I forget, but either way it’s a fucking joke.

    The Labor Party has said they will roll back the arcane IR laws if they win power and I really hope they DO have the balls to do it. But they should do it selectively. I believe AWA’s are a good idea in specialist areas where prospective employees know their worth and have the power to demand what they deem is fair and reasonable compensation for their services. Blue collar workers (the majority of Australians) generally work menial jobs a shaved monkey could do so it’s no wonder these people are completely expendable. It’s for these people we need a fairer system. I really hope Labor sees it the same way.

    The contradictions I was referring to were your claims of Labor having uncharismatic leaders. I know you didn’t say Howard/Costello/Andrews/Abbott were charismatic, but your statement was completely ironic.

    I agree with going to ACA, the acme of journalism, forging the way, fighting the good fight for truth and justice.*

    *Man, try as you might, sarcasm really doesn’t translate well, does it?

  18. Grum

    “For you to claim that I’m deluding myself that Labor would’ve handled those situations differently is probably the most stupid and arrogant thing you’ve ever said.”

    Once again, Sash, read what I wrote. Don’t read what you want to hear. I said “if you are suggesting that Labor definitely would have handled them differently, you are deluding yourself.” I never suggested that you WERE saying that Labor would have handled it differently. Before you start going off, make sure that you have actually read (or listened) to what other people are actually saying.

    “To claim that they would do something in much the same way as the Libs would is ridiculous”. Once again, READ WHAT I WROTE. I never claimed anything of the sort. I said that they may have handled it differently, which, without being privy to internal Labor policies, is impossible for me to say one way or the other. It was an opinion. Everything I say on this site is opinion unless I can give you some sort of reference to go to.

    If you read my numerous other posts, while I think most of what you say is complete bollocks, I do admire your well thought out arguments (please re-read my original article). I admire the fact that you stick to your guns. I don’t want you to change your mind just because I say so – that is for you to decided. But can it actually hurt to listen to another person’s opinion. All of what I have written is opinion. My opinion. Not fact. You want facts, read an encylopaedia.

    Where the hell did you get the “employer has right to terminate employment if more than 5 sick days taken in a year” information from? I have searched for it and I can’t find it. I refuse to believe that someone can be fired for being sick. Perhaps if they have taken more than five days of sick leave without a medical certificate they can get themselves in the shit, but I have no evidence to support this. And don’t go saying that people can’t afford medical attention. Many doctors bulk bill and public hospitals don’t charge either. I know there is a long wait, but blame this on the people who can afford to pay for medical attention but won’t (and I know a few).

    “The Labor Party has said they will roll back the arcane IR laws if they win power and I really hope they DO have the balls to do it.” Isn’t this what the Liberal party did and they have been roasted for it.

    As for the recession comments, tongue-in-cheek comments translate worse than sarcasm in the written form. A global recession can hardly be blamed on an Australian Government.

  19. StitchFace

    Why do I have a raging erection after reading all this?

    And sorry, Grum…it’s just that I’m looking for a man with a bigger beard than your NON-EXISTENT one.

  20. Owmyhands

    Grum, I realise it’s your opinion and I’m only arguing because I believe the facts (as I see them and I don’t blindly embrace every left-wing piece of propaganda thrown my way) seem to nullify your opinions. As such, I feel I need to impart some wisdom your way ;)

    “Once again, Sash, read what I wrote.”
    “That’s only because the Liberals have been in power when these issues came up. If you are suggesting that Labor definitely would have handled them differently, you are deluding yourself. They may have, but that is no certainty.”

    Well then, make up your mind. What you wrote suggests that I’m deluding myself if I think Labor would’ve handled things differently, then IN THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE, you bring ambiguity into the mix suggesting that oh, they may have, but it’s no certainty, which would imply that maybe I’m not deluding myself.

    The “5 sick days a year” thing wasn’t based on fact, I was just using that as an example of something that could be put into an AWA.

    ““The Labor Party has said they will roll back the arcane IR laws if they win power and I really hope they DO have the balls to do it.” Isn’t this what the Liberal party did and they have been roasted for it.”

    Matter of opinion. I believe there was very little wrong with the IR system before WorkChoices.

    My recession comments weren’t globally related, despite Australia’s economy a part of the global system. America seems to be the forebear of what’s happening with economies around the world that follow an American style economic blueprint. For example, privatisation of once publicly owned companies/utilities, the move to private health and education doing all but eradicating the public system and tax laws designed to benefit the rich which results in housing crises, poverty and diminishing quality of life for the clear majority. The Libs have pretty much copied the American system since they got into power 11 years ago and we now face crises of epic proportions in the housing market (which is on the verge of crashing), public health care (which seems to be removing beds daily), education (which is increasingly providing places for pay in advance students) and the rising costs and poorer service of our utilities. So while my comments were definitely NOT made tongue-in-cheek, I can see how they may have been misinterpreted. We ARE heading towards a recession, as is most of the western world, and the conservative governments have put us there.

    Finally, on to matters of opinion. I certainly admire that you actually have one and one that isn’t based on complete ignorance and idiocy. And while technically nobody’s opinion is wrong, I think when opinions are not based on a little bit of knowledge, they’re bordering on dangerous and, dare I say it, they’re actually wrong. It may be someone’s opinion that dinosaurs and humans coexisted. There’s no way to prove they didn’t because we’d need to go back a few million years to actually see, but the evidence suggests that there were clearly a few million years between the last dinosaur and the first human. In such a case, I dare say I would consider that initial opinion wrong and would argue the fact. And of course you could argue that we weren’t there, we’ll never know but, really, if 99.9% of specialists in this field agree, who am I to dispute it? We accept gravity yet nobody’s ever seen it.

    Anyway, I think I’m going to let this one go. We both know Labor will win (god I hope so) and we both know Australia’s economy will nosedive and we both know you’ll be the first one to say “see? Labor’s in, economy’s fucked” so we’ll just wait ’til then. Besides, I really don’t want to see Bill blow his wad all over this page.

    xxx

  21. Owmyhands

    Oh, and I had a couple of words in italics in that post but they didn’t italicise. Scott! Fuck with the software and get this page all rich text savvy.

  22. Grum

    I have said it before and I’ll say it again – I like arguing with Sash. The rest of you peanuts could learn a thing or two from him.

    “The “5 sick days a year” thing wasn’t based on fact, I was just using that as an example of something that could be put into an AWA.”

    I see. Furry muff.

    Agreed. Let’s let it drop. I think we may have entertained a few people and we’ve had a jolly good time. Well, I have – can’t speak for you.

    Enough said.

    Love you lots.
    xxx

  23. Owmyhands

    Ditto.

    xxx

  24. Duck

    Get a room!

  25. StitchFace

    `”Besides, I really don’t want to see Bill blow his wad all over this page.”

    Why are you sending mixed messages, Sasha?

    I feel compelled to comment, in closing, that you (Sasha) appear to be much, much more read regarding actual current world events than almost anyone else I know…

  26. Owmyhands

    I wouldn’t say I’m that well read, I just take an interest in a lot of things and am pretty blessed in having geniuses as friends. So I’m probably more observant than read. Though I do read a lot more than the average Joe Schmuck. I don’t even need pictures in my books. God, do I sound fucking elitist or what?

  27. StitchFace

    “I feel compelled to comment, in closing, that you (Sasha) appear to be much, much more read regarding actual current world events than almost anyone else I know…”

    me fail english? that’s unpossible.

  28. StitchFace

    Well, of all the people I engage in conversation with, you’re one of about 3 that appear to be familiar with the non MSM issues and the actual current state of world affairs.

  29. Owmyhands

    Sorry, Bill, forgive my ignorance (or stupidity), but what is MSM?

  30. Owmyhands

    Mainstream Media?

  31. StitchFace

    YES! You’ve won a prize.

  32. Owmyhands

    Hooray! Forward it to my cunt sister…

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